17Thousand Songs
A podcast where we explore the stories behind our inspired Latter-day Saint hymns to refresh, rekindle, and restore your faith.
17Thousand Songs
17KS Ep 2 - "Bread of Life, Living Water" with Annette Dickman: Becoming Whole & Holy
Join our conversation with Annette Dickman, songwriter of "Bread of Life, Living Water," to hear how this 2011 church music submission became a sacrament hymn in the new hymnal by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A personal desire to understand the sacrament better and two years of consistent, dedicated work produced a unique and uplifting hymn featuring these titles of the Savior. Hear also of a couple of Annette's sacred experiences with the sacrament and how she overcame depression and perfectionism in her pursuit to follow Jesus Christ.
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SHOW NOTES
00:00 – Podcast Intro
00:52 – Pioneers & Piano
02:36 – Organ Lessons
04:41 – 30 Songs in 30 Years
07:07 – My Eternal Family
09:00 – Inspiration for a Sacrament Hymn
09:59 – A Hospital Room Sacrament
11:46 – Emblems & Titles
13:11 – Whole & Holy
15:41 – Mental Wholeness
16:43 – Treating the Whole Person
18:49 – Perfectionism
20:31 – The Dishwasher
22:34 – A Gradual Process
24:23 – The Music Review
25:52 – The Lyric Review
27:35 – Uplifting & Simple
28:30 – Come as You Are
31:00 – Watch with Me
33:07 – It Was a Gift
34:07 – Greatest Hope
34:55 – Bread of Life, Living Water
36:04 – Podcast Outro
Other Music by Annette
"My Eternal Family"
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/music/songs/my-eternal-family?lang=eng
"Repentance (Alma's Song)"
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/music/songs/repentance-dickman?lang=eng
"Even as I Am"
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/music/songs/even-as-i-am-dickman?lang=eng
See other songs submitted to the Church by Annette Dickman on the Church's website at bit.ly/annettedickmanchurchmusic
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[Podcast Intro]
Alaina Larsen: Welcome to 17,000 Songs, a podcast where we explore the stories behind our inspired Latter-day Saint hymns to refresh, rekindle, and restore your faith. I'm your host. Alaina Larsen.
Alaina Larsen: Welcome back to 17, 000 Songs. I'm your host, Alaina Larsen. Joining me in the studio today is Annette Dickman, who is the songwriter of "Bread of Life, Living Water," which is a brand-new sacrament hymn in our new hymnal. Thank you so much for joining us, Annette.
Annette Dickman: Thank you so much.
[Pioneers & Piano]
Alaina Larsen: So, I'd love to start with just the beginning of music for you, and really where your love of music began.
Annette Dickman: I think I was just born with it. I have loved it since I can remember, but I was kind of a strange child in many ways and I especially loved the Tabernacle Choir – and I'm talking about like when I was three or four years old, which is really strange. My parents and my grandparents had probably every recording that they had made. I could listen to those all day long. My absolute favorite was the old Leroy Robertson arrangement of "Come, Come Ye Saints." Part of that was because at four, I was also obsessed with pioneers. But I loved that song. It just made my heart happy.
My grandma, at her house, had an old upright piano and I started picking out the melody of "Come, Come Ye Saints" on the piano at her house. When I was about five, she took me to a friend of hers who was a renowned piano teacher in Logan, and asked her if she thought I ought to have piano lessons. She was pretty emphatic that I should probably have piano lessons. And so, I started when I was five years old playing the piano. I had my first piano student when I was about 10. My first church calling was to be the primary pianist when I was 11.
[Organ Lessons]
Annette Dickman: Also, when I was 11, we were living in Portland at that time, and the church would send out organ instructors. This man came from Salt Lake and he stayed for six weeks, and I got to go take organ lessons for six whole weeks when I was 11. And the first time I was ward organist was when I was 14.
Alaina Larsen: So, was that just a free service from the Church? They provided that to help? Oh, that's wonderful, because we need organists.
Annette Dickman: It's time to do it again. I'm afraid. There aren't as many children playing the piano and there aren't very many adults who feel comfortable on the organ. So...
Alaina Larsen: I've told my kids, I have two of mine in piano lessons, and I've told them, the Lord needs pianists.
Annette Dickman: Yes
Alaina Larsen: It really is true because it really is a big part of how we worship in our sacrament meeting.
Annette Dickman: It's so important. So, I just kept playing and then as I played, my dad liked to listen to me practice. And he would find in all of his record collection, great classic piano pieces. And he would say, "When you can play that one, you can have a grand piano." And he kind of reneged on that. He made my husband do that for me, but he would listen to me practice and he would say, "Oh, tell the story of the music!" or "You could put more feeling in it here!" or "Make that a little more exciting here!"
And so, he kind of taught me about expression and then he challenged me – this tells how old I am – "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head" was the hit song of the time, and he said, "You should arrange that. You should make your own version of that." So that was probably the first time I'd actually tried to write anything. But then I went to college and majored in piano performance. I was taking theory and composition classes, and you had to write. So, that's where I really started writing on my own.
[30 Songs in 30 Years]
Alaina Larsen: Now, I think many of our listeners probably know that the Church put this call out for new music in advance of the new hymnal. But in addition to that, they've been taking music for decades in an annual music submission. So, did any of those songs that you wrote in college, were those any that you submitted? Because I was looking at your list of how many you turned in – over 30 songs in 30 years –you have submitted in those music submissions that have not only just been turned in, but accepted by the Church. That's pretty prolific.
Annette Dickman: You know, I didn't submit actually for quite a long time. I think my first submission was probably in 1989. President Benson was the prophet, and he gave a wonderful, I think, landmark address called “Come Unto Christ and Be Perfected in Him” and it really touched my heart. I think I read about the submission and then thought, “Well, I really loved that talk.” So, I wrote a song about it, and I submitted that and it received an award.
Once I did that first one, it seemed like I was always writing something. And so, I would just go through what I had done during the past year and choose what I thought would be best to send and then send it in. I've always loved the story of Alma, the Younger, and I wrote a song entitled "Repentance" that told his story.
I tried a couple of times thinking, "Oh, the submission deadline is coming; I should write something!" And it didn't work very well. You know, the purpose then was just to send it in for a recognition or whatever when most of the other things that I'd written had had a purpose as a request or something motivated by President Benson's talk or a scripture. When I wrote things because there was a need, either in my heart or because once people know that you write songs, they invite you to write songs. So, when I was writing in that way – to follow the spirit and to help people worship or to help lift people up – then I could write.
[My Eternal Family]
Alaina Larsen: You were telling me that you did have one song that was actually because the church contacted composers and said, "Hey, we need a song written with this content." Can you tell us about that song, "My Eternal Family?"
Annette Dickman: It was for the 2009 Primary Sacrament Meeting Program and they contacted several composers, I'm not sure how many, and told us what they were looking for and invited us to submit. I remember when I received that letter, I opened the letter and these words started coming into my mind. And I sat down at the kitchen table and wrote out the words to the song.
Alaina Larsen: So, you're saying when you opened the letter inviting you, "Hey, could you write a song?"... as you're reading that, you were already getting ideas that quickly?
Annette Dickman: Yeah.
Alaina Larsen: Oh wow, that's amazing.
Annette Dickman: And so, then I wrote four or five others afterwards till I could, you know, submit a group. But the one that was selected was the one that that happened with. One of the concepts that they mentioned in the letter was, “How do we build eternal families?” And the first words that came into my mind were, “I am a builder working so hard to build my family.” And it became known in a lot of places, as "The Builder Song." There were a lot of Primary Music Leaders who were passing out hammers and tools in singing time and having the children do the rhythm with the tools. And it was fun to see that.
Alaina Larsen: I do remember this song and I do think it helps children to have something concrete to think about that gives that spiritual lesson, just some grounding for them. And if you can make it fun – that they've got hammers – that just brings them so present into the moment.
[Inspiration for a Sacrament Hymn]
Alaina Larsen: Okay. So, I'd love to go right into the song "Bread of Life, Living Water." This hymn comes from one of these, right? You wrote this in 2011. Is that the year you submitted it?
Annette Dickman: It was the year I submitted it, and it did receive some recognition, and then it was actually published in the Ensign. And it's my understanding that if they were published in the Ensign or the Friend, that they were automatically funneled into the submission for the hymn book.
Alaina Larsen: Yes, right. Because they had 17, 000 new songs, but they had all these other songs that had been turned in in these other music submissions. So, tell us Annette, where the inspiration came for this song. Why write a sacrament hymn in particular?
Annette Dickman: Mostly because it's just so close to my heart. It's something that's meant a lot to me from the time I was a little girl.
[A Hospital Room Sacrament]
Annette Dickman: I've had wonderful spiritual experiences with the sacrament. One in particular, that kind of changed my perspective, was when we had a son who had a ruptured appendix and we nearly lost him.
We got him into the hospital, and it wasn't readily apparent that that's what the problem was. So, it took a while to actually figure that out, and then the surgery wasn't completely successful. He seemed better for a day or two, and then he started fevering again. So, he was in the hospital for two weeks, and he was in a lot of pain for a week before the hospital, and then had a long recovery afterward, and on the Sunday that we were in the hospital, when he was still sick, they brought the sacrament to his room and our ward was fasting for him on that day, and I could feel those prayers and that fasting. And I'd never experienced that in that way before.
When they said the sacrament prayers, for the first time I really connected with Alma chapter seven where not only did he take upon himself our sins, but our sicknesses and our pains and our sorrows. And when you watch a child in that much pain, you wish that you could do anything to take that pain away from them.
Alaina Larsen: And there's comfort in knowing that we know that he's experienced it. And then he also knows what that pain and that suffering looks like.
Annette Dickman: Absolutely.
[Emblems & Titles]
Annette Dickman: And in terms of writing this song, it grew from my studies about the Atonement and the Sacrament and my own desires to be closer to the Savior. And I wanted to tell the story of what he had done, and so, I was studying the New Testament. I found that the Savior called himself the Bread of Life – "I am the Bread of Life” – and he called himself Living Water. And I love the story of the woman at the well.
I started thinking about how those emblems related to the names that he gave himself. I wanted to recognize that. We all know what they symbolize – that the bread symbolizes his body and the water symbolizes the blood that he shed in Gethsemane and on the cross, and that it's through those elements that we’re purified – but I wanted to establish that relationship.
Alaina Larsen: Yeah, and I really like that you brought those titles in, because like you said, we've definitely talked a lot about the bread representing his body, but to actually bring in his title of Bread of Life, that's not as connected in the sacrament hymns currently. So, to bring in those titles of him, I think that's really beautiful. I just love those titles.
[Whole & Holy]
Alaina Larsen: Do you feel like … That's the name of the song: "Bread of Life, Living Water." Do you think those are the most important words or what do you think is your favorite lyric or really the most impactful lyric in the song?
Annette Dickman: That's really hard because that is the title. And that's … in terms of writing this song, as I started really focusing on those symbols, the melody to those six words came really quickly and that's all I had for a long time. So that's, certainly the core of this song.
But for me, it's the last line of the chorus, “to make me whole, complete and holy, bound to thee eternally.” That through all of our covenants, which are all reflected in the sacrament, that we are his and that the only way that we can become like him and Heavenly Father is through those ordinances and covenants.
Alaina Larsen: Yeah. I like that really your verses more are about him and we learn aspects of him and how he is the Bread of Life and the Living Water, but the chorus is then applying that to us. And I think that is why that is so impactful because, that's what we love when we hear someone give a talk. Instead of just someone sharing a scripture, you want to know how they apply it. How do you apply it to your life? Why does this matter? And I feel like your chorus is really taking all the information we talk about in the verses about the Savior, and really saying, this is why it matters.
We have an opportunity of becoming both whole and holy, and I love the play on words there. And I know in other languages, maybe it won't be, but in English, I love how it starts with whole and you continue on to holy, which has that part in it. That play on words is so beautiful. And I also love that they really talk about two very distinct blessings of the Atonement: our physical wholeness, but then also our spirituality, and the ability that we have to become more like our Heavenly Father. I think that those two terms really touch on those two things of his Atonement so well. Do you want to say anything about that, Annette?
[Mental Wholeness]
Annette Dickman: Yeah, I think it's important for us to recognize that our mental health is part of that wholeness as well. I suffered several miscarriages and one, that was particularly devastating. Following that, I just sank into depression and had to learn even what that really meant and what that was. But I didn't feel capable. I didn't feel like myself. I had three little children and I got two of them off to school and set the other one in front of Sesame Street and would crawl back under the covers.
I didn't feel the spirit. I could not feel the spirit. I didn't feel it at church, and I thought, there's something completely wrong with me.
[Treating the Whole Person]
Annette Dickman: And I learned what I needed to do to be treated. And I had a wonderful physician who talked about, “We have to treat this on every level. We have to treat it physically, and emotionally, and socially, and spiritually.” And it was so wonderful to have a caretaker who recognized that we are a whole person and that it affects our whole person.
So, I started treatment and worked with professional help. And I remember really vividly the day I was sitting in sacrament meeting and had taken the sacrament and felt the spirit for the first time in a really long time. So, for me, that wholeness is, mental as well as physical. I want to be a whole person in every aspect.
You know, depression kind of has a stigma to it and people don't want to acknowledge it, or don't know how to deal with it. And I think it's very important to recognize that the Savior is very much a part of that healing as well.
Alaina Larsen: Yeah, and I think, the example of the Savior, when he was on the earth, he was always going about healing and even then, there was stigma, right? “Oh, if this child was blind since birth or lame since birth, who sinned? Was it the parent's sin? Was it the child's sin?” There was definitely stigma then too, about physical ailments, things that we now deal with, whether it be physical or mental, and I think you can see in his example that he wants to help you completely. He wants you to be able to walk and see clearly in addition to making the right choices and becoming like him.
[Perfectionism]
Alaina Larsen: Do you have an experience that you could share, Annette, about this sacrament helping you become more holy as compared to whole?
Annette Dickman: I think I was a huge perfectionist for a long time. I think from the time I was a little girl. There were so many times growing up that I thought, I really would like to just be baptized again and just feel as clean and pure as I did on that day. I was very concerned about wanting to be right with the Lord.
As a young mom, I would remember, particularly when my husband was in the bishopric and I had five children to get to church. And all the mothers out there can sympathize that by the time you get to church, you're not feeling super spiritual. And I may have yelled at my children. And especially after getting angry with them, I would think, "I can't take the sacrament today. I don't feel like I'm worthy to do that." I would worry about that a lot.
It took me a while to realize that worthiness isn't perfection. I think a lot of people think that we have to come to the sacrament almost perfect or that we have to do all the work before we get there. I think it's actually the opposite; that we come as we are and the Lord welcomes us with open arms and it's through taking the sacrament that then we become better, that we become more holy.
[The Dishwasher]
Alaina Larsen: Yeah, I think it is a temptation to want to perfect ourselves. And we can't do that. We need his Atonement. And also, it's really difficult. It's so much harder to try to perfect ourselves in advance of coming to the sacrament.
And I heard this analogy recently about the dishwasher – I think we talked about this on the phone – that I'm someone who really likes to clean the dishes before I put it in the dishwasher and my husband is not. And I've been informed now that actually how dishwashers work is they have this sensor in the dishwasher that can tell how many particles are in the water to let it know how clean it is. So, it'll keep cleaning, cleaning, cleaning until that changes. Well, if you put all the dishes in and they're already perfectly clean, well, then the sensor is like, “Oh, it's done.” And you'll get a much shorter wash and the dishwasher won't really do what it was meant to do. And even hearing that, when someone told me that story, I am such a perfectionist, I still didn’t even believe it. I still think it's better to wash! Like it's still – even though I know that information – it's still really hard for me to put in a dirty dish.
And so, I think, we get in a routine and we get in a belief system of "I need to be a certain level" and we've decided ourselves what that is, and it can be really hard to change that to something different and to come a little bit more raw to the sacrament; come a little more raw to our Savior and a little more exposed. But you know, that is what he wants and that is how he can be so much more effective with us.
Annette Dickman: Absolutely. It took me a long time to figure out that if I could answer the temple recommend questions appropriately that it was probably okay to take the sacrament.
[A Gradual Process]
Alaina Larsen: So, after you had that title, "Bread of Life, Living Water," and you had that melody going for that section, you said that you kind of sat on that for a long time. What changed in order for you to finish out the song?
Annette Dickman: I'm not really sure. Of anything I've ever written, it was the most gradual process. There wasn't a deadline. I think it was a two-year process. Normally, I write probably much too quickly, a lot of the time. I should spend a lot more time on review and reworking. And this one was, of anything I've written, this just took the very most time. So, it was just a very unique experience for me, and it was a very personal experience for me.
Alaina Larsen: Well, and I like how the process of writing the song is sort of a testimony to the Atonement and how it works in our lives. I know for me, I want this very profound, quick experience. You were sharing that you wrote a song about Alma the Younger and not that I necessarily want his life, but that was really amazing that he has this grand experience, and then he's so completely changed so quickly. And for so many of us, that isn't how we're changed. That isn't how our testimony develops. It is a slow, gradual process of the sun rising as compared to the light switch turning on and, the process of your song testifies to that process.
Annette Dickman: I love that you framed it that way. I appreciate that a lot.
[The Music Review]
Alaina Larsen: Can you share with us, Annette, a little bit about the process of this song just being selected? Did you hear in advance that it was being considered? Did you know for a long time that it's going to be in the hymnal?
Annette Dickman: I didn't know at all. The first indication that I had that it was being considered was probably in about February. It was going through this process. So, there was a music review and I had the wonderful privilege of working with Stephen Jones at BYU. And in every step they would say, “Now this doesn't mean it's being selected, but we're going to just do some further review.” And so, I worked with him. He's a great composer and I think the Dean of Music at BYU, and he was extraordinarily kind.
The process with the music is note by note. Literally, like soprano, alto, tenor, bass notes and passing tones and how the harmonies fit together. Like, it's really against the rules to have parallel fifths anywhere and that can be from any of the four voices. And he found some, so we fixed those. And just that note-by-note review and his careful suggestions; I learned a great deal just from that. That was over the period of a few weeks.
[The Lyric Review]
The next step was that I was contacted by someone about the lyrics. And we kind of did the same thing where we reviewed literally every word. And that was Sister Pinborough, and she's an amazing lyricist and writer, and her insights were incredible.
Alaina Larsen: So, could you share with us, like, what's one of the lyrics that she changed or in those discussions changed?
Annette Dickman: In the second verse, the way I had originally written the first line of the second verse was “Jesus offered up his body,” and she suggested that we change that to “Jesus sacrificed his body,” which was so much more profound. And as we move into the third verse and talk about what our law of sacrifice is in terms of a broken heart and a contrite spirit. So, I was very grateful for that and very grateful for having that chance to learn and work with such incredible people.
Alaina Larsen: That's great they give you that opportunity.
Annette Dickman: It was a wonderful experience. And then again, it was, “This is just a review.” You know, “This is not saying that it will be selected.”
Alaina Larsen: They were spending a lot of dedicated time on just reviews!
Annette Dickman: Yes, really! And so then, I just thought, “Well, we'll just wait and see what happens.” I got a phone call two weeks before the first release . . .
Alaina Larsen: That is such short notice!
Annette Dickman: . . . that let me know that it had been selected. So, that was when I knew officially.
[Uplifting & Simple]
Alaina Larsen: Well, that's really neat that they gave you that opportunity and it really is such a great song. We've sung it in our sacrament meeting already multiple times for the sacrament and it has such a different feeling than some of our other sacrament hymns. Sometimes the sacrament hymns can feel kind of dark or depressing and sad. And I feel like when we sing your hymn, it's just very uplifting. I've really enjoyed listening to it.
Annette Dickman: Oh, thank you. It's really simple. I think maybe that was one of the struggles in writing it was that I thought this is too simple. I kept thinking there should be a different chorus or something, but it's extremely simple and faith in Jesus Christ is a basic and simple concept.
[Come as you Are]
Alaina Larsen: What do you think we could do to better prepare for our time in the sacrament?
Annette Dickman: Just to be thinking about it through the week, through each week. It's such an incredible blessing to have that fresh start. For me, the Atonement is the promise that there's always a fresh start. That's such a blessing to me because I mess up every day! I remember times when I would think, "Okay, today I will be perfect!" And then by 7: 55 in the morning, you've blown the day, so, you know, you might as well give up.
But I think just to always remember that promise that we make in the sacrament – to always remember him. I think rather than a Saturday night, “I'm going to take the sacrament tomorrow" or Sunday morning, “Oh, I need to repent real quick so I can partake of the sacrament!" . . . that it becomes a lifestyle of covenant keeping and always remembering him.
Alaina Larsen: Yeah. Something I was thinking of as you were talking – if something goes awry during the week or I've done something that I'm kind of disappointed in myself, sometimes that can just derail me for hours or maybe even days. You kind of hold on to it. And I'm just thinking when you were saying how, if we were thinking all throughout the week what we were going to take to the sacrament, you know, what we're going to repent of, I could see myself being like, "Okay, well... that's, that's going to be on the sacrament table on Sunday” and I can just drop it!” I wasn't my best self in that moment. I'm just going to put it in my sacrament bag and not carry it with me the rest of the week. We'll deal with it during the sacrament on Sunday” and move on, and be joyful!
Annette Dickman: I love that. You know, it was King Lamoni who said, "I will give away all my sins to know Thee," and I heard someone comment and say that he actually is saying, "I'll give Thee all my sins." I love that you said it that way, that we actually take those sins and offer them and say, "This is what I did. I'm sorry." You know, he knows, and he understands! "Yeah, you messed up, but it'll be okay."
[Watch with Me]
Alaina Larsen: I think that's some really good advice of what we can do leading up to the sacrament. What would you suggest we do to better use that time during the sacrament?
Annette Dickman: I think a lot about when Peter, James, and John were in Gethsemane with him, and fell asleep – which I think had a deeper purpose probably – but when he came back and said, "Couldn't you watch with me for an hour?"
Our ward is really little. Someone timed it a few weeks ago and the whole sacrament process took eight minutes. And so, I'm thinking, “Can’t I watch with you 15 minutes? Can’t I watch with you even for 8 minutes?” And in the process of this studying that led up to writing "Bread of Life, Living Water," I kept thinking that perhaps the thing that will help me understand this better is to be more focused during the sacrament.
It's an ongoing effort and I do better some Sundays than others. But oftentimes I pray. Oftentimes, I think of the Last Supper. I memorized The Living Christ a while ago when we were kind of encouraged to do that. And so, I'll work through The Living Christ and think and focus on different aspects. I know a lot of people open their scriptures during the sacrament, just trying to stay focused and really think about why we're there.
Alaina Larsen: Yeah, I think even just with my kids – and now I've got teenagers – I think that advice really applies. Because it can be hard for kids to stay focused for a really long time. But if you do isolate it to, “Okay, during the sacrament, this is the eight minutes or the fifteen minutes where we're going to be reverent; where we're going to think about Jesus.” I think it has been a good exercise for them.
Or for my teenagers, “When the sacrament's done, then you can fall asleep, but, not during the sacrament! You have to stay awake at least during that!”
[It Was a Gift]
Alaina Larsen: I'd like to close with a question – it's actually a two-part question – and the first part is, “Why do you think you felt inspired to write this song?” And secondly, “What do you hope others will be left with after hearing it?”
Annette Dickman: I think that it was a gift to me. I think that the Lord knew the desires of my heart and that it was a way of teaching me and helping me to understand things better and to come closer to him. And he was kind enough to give it to me as that gift.
Alaina Larsen: Yeah, I can really tell like how personal this song is for you. That this was one that you really desired to write and as so many people in our church now sing this on Sunday, it really could become something that's also very personal to so many others.
[Greatest Hope]
Annette Dickman: I loved what you said about hoping that it would be meaningful for other people. There must be a lot of people who have a lot of the same feelings that I've had. And probably my greatest hope is that it will be something that will touch people's hearts and that will lead them to hope and to a desire to be closer to him and more like him.
Alaina Larsen: Well, this has been so wonderful chatting with you, Annette. I'm so grateful that you were able to come in and share your story and your inspiration in this song. And I really think a lot of our listeners are going to benefit from hearing your story. Thank you so much for your song and thank you for coming in. We really appreciate it.
Annette Dickman: Thank you for having me.
[Bread of Life, Living Water]
In the Garden, Jesus suffered every sin and every woe. Bleeding drops from every pore, that we might forgiveness know. Bread of Life, Living Water, feed my soul, fill my heart. Lord, give me new life in Thee, and make me whole – complete and holy – bound to Thee eternally.
[Podcast Outro]